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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.01.16 02:39:00 -
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Quote:incursions and l4's dont generate a ton of isk.
Granted, you qualify this statement as "they generate loyalty points instead", but that is still bar none the stupidest thing I have ever heard anyone say on these forums.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:09:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:So yeah highsec guys how would you like a 5% increase in your income? It sounds great right?
I believe I shall propose that the ESS be applied to CONCORD payouts for Incursions.
It's the same lore principle, after all. And that'd be some emergent conduct, err, content.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:38:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:I'm still trying to figure out why suddenly deploy-able structures are suddenly a hot item with CCP. I mean, I realize they have nothing else important to work on....  And we had lots of posts demanding new structures.... How many man hours were invested in all these dumb structures? It's not like Tidi is going to fly in the long run, or the node crashes that happen every time a Super fight unfolds. The Sov system is basically broken, yet CCP seems to be more worried about ship balancing. Who's steering the ship, the hamsters?
I've suspected this for some time, but they flat out can't do a lot of the things that need done at this point.
You know, the whole "The guys who coded the POS system quit and we don't know how to change it" thing. Writ large.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:46:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:I'm still trying to figure out why suddenly deploy-able structures are suddenly a hot item with CCP. I mean, I realize they have nothing else important to work on.... And we had lots of posts demanding new structures.... How many man hours were invested in all these dumb structures? It's not like Tidi is going to fly in the long run, or the node crashes that happen every time a Super fight unfolds. The Sov system is basically broken, yet CCP seems to be more worried about ship balancing. Who's steering the ship, the hamsters? I've suspected this for some time, but they flat out can't do a lot of the things that need done at this point. You know, the whole "The guys who coded the POS system quit and we don't know how to change it" thing. Writ large. I personally wonder if the 2 are related; if the goal for the POS code is to have it simply be replaced at a time when the code behind the mobile structures becomes robust enough to result in a suitable replacement. That could simply mean that the surge of structures is partially an experiment towards this end.
Damn, now I think I might need a tinfoil hat. You seriously read my freaking mind.
Yeah, that's just about precisely what I think. I think they're testing the waters, so to speak, to try and cut it all out and replace it in one fell swoop.
This behavior pattern has precedence in the way they handled the gate animations, which lends credence to the theory.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
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Posted - 2014.01.16 03:57:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Hey CCP I have this wild idea to make the PVE in your game even more tedious. Replace all bounties with Tags. ALL bounties. Then make it so the tags can only be traded in for raw materials. Which you use to craft your ships yourself.
Heck, why even have money?
Let's get this **** into a barter system.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
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Posted - 2014.01.16 04:26:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:I wonder how long it takes to access the funds from the module.
I believe 60 seconds overall.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
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Posted - 2014.01.16 04:40:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quote:incursions and l4's dont generate a ton of isk. Granted, you qualify this statement as "they generate loyalty points instead", but that is still bar none the stupidest thing I have ever heard anyone say on these forums. what? so you don't understand the difference between say, a pound of gold, and a wad of cash? you view them as equivalent? if you mine gold out of the ground - you "create" dollars?.... no - you don't. ... or are you just being thick on purpose? some sort of troll? reminds me of this picture: https://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/tg/image/1338/97/1338970066809.png I get that you get this, but just to expand: LP and the things you buy with it are actually an ISK sink which is a good thing. Rat bounties are an isk faucet as in they inject ISK into the economy out of the ~either~ The money you get from selling your LP gained items is moving from other players to you, thus it is not created out of nothing. It's a really simple concept and I'm at a loss as to why people don't get it.
Ah, I thought she was talking about the end result for the individual player?
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
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Posted - 2014.01.16 16:32:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:It's quite clear that there are very mixed opinions on this, and we'll be looking to gather the feedback from this thread and hand it over to game design. That said, if people are annoyed, it's still not justification for taking a dump all over the forum rules. Make sure that your feedback is presented in a calm and concise manner. Cheers. 
I would like to point out that if, as CCP SoniClover states, Nullsec ratting income is really too much of an isk faucet, you should simply nerf them.
The ESS manages to be both overly complicated and hamfisted in it's purpose. The opportunity cost for using it vastly outweighs any benefit of it's use. It should not make live in it's current state.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
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Posted - 2014.01.16 19:47:00 -
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Someone else hit it on the head.
The people who are there right now, are there for money.
Now they won't be.
That equals less PvP opportunities.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
2118
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Posted - 2014.01.16 20:02:00 -
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Quote:Even though you guys hate Infinity Ziona suggestion about removing timers, I think you should go play planetside 2 and see for yourself, at night when limited people are online (nice small fights, 1vs1, and some small gangs), and in the evening you get massive fights for HOURS flipping systems, AND in several systems instead of the crammed up 4k in one system.
Even though I disagree that the two make an appropriate comparison (which makes sense only because IZ is an idiot), I will go ahead and take this apart.
Have you ever played Planetside 2? I have. I played back before it was Vanu or go home, and even then, you would have the largest clans and their hangers-on running around facerolling all the smaller groups. Taking over massive swaths of the warzone, while the smaller groups have no chance.
It's literally what WoW became with Tol Barad. The blob runs over, steamrolls all opposition, and moves on to the next flag, then the anklebiters attack the stragglers, decap it, and the circle continues.
No strategy, no tactics, just zerg rush as many objective points as possible before the other guys have to go to sleep.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
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Posted - 2014.01.16 20:33:00 -
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Quote:CCP has no idea about where the most ISK is dropped since there is no way they could ever run any sort of statistical metrics on their own database!
They were, from what I gather, discussing actual liquid isk.
Not income. I wager they would really rather not admit that median income is higher for L4s than almost anything else but Incursions.
Scamming, of course, still being the best source of income available.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
2119
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Posted - 2014.01.16 21:20:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Kimmi Chan wrote:
Optics.
Much of what the "uninformed" player sees and hears likely represents the worst of Null. As a new player 6 years ago I remember stories of chicanery and asshattery. On this forum, I see posts about this thing in Null sucks, that thing in Null sucks. I see posts from people who, rather than explain their position in any kind of diplomatic or reasonable way, tend to berate and belittle us "lesser mortals". It is really, REALLY hard to be sympathetic to someone that acts the way some of these people do.
I think it's actually a very common attitude displayed by the most frequent null sec posters. For whatever reasons they tend to be very hostile, demeaning, and with overzealous convictions on how things should be done. I've already seen plenty of threads recently from null sec players threatening CCP with 'punishing' hi sec players with suicide gankings and general harassment over the introduction of the ESS, as if this was some how hi sec players' idea. The misguided rage and contempt is simply incomprehensible.
Yeah, we hate the nullsec players because they're like, mean and stuff.
Not that you guys aren't literally doing the same thing right now towards a different group, among one another. On reddit they call it a circlejerk.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
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Posted - 2014.01.16 21:34:00 -
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Quote: I think the dumbest module CCP has come up with in years is this ESS. And frankly, I don't even wish it on null sec players. But to threaten CCP to bully players because you don't like something is quite simply deplorable.
Well, first of all, let me take exception to your use of the term "bully". If their undocked, they consent to PvP, and so forth.
And secondly, why is it a problem? If you agree that it sucks, clearly going on a rampage is going to get their attention. Especially since CCP has a track record of ignoring feedback short of a rampage.
Quote:This is not an excuse. I know there are those from the other side also spewing **** like this. But it isn't an excuse for you to do it.
Why not? That's pretty much what humans do, get in a circle and hate on people who aren't part of the group. Like I said, you've been doing it plenty, and you've also been wagging at your finger at nullsec because they do it. It's a big giant circlejerk, you lot would just like to think you're above it.
Quote:And I really can't say that everyone in null sec is like this, because I'm willing to bet the majority aren't. But I stand by my assertion that, usually the most outspoken and vocal null sec posters do tend to be quite antagonistic and contemptuous toward players whose play styles they disagree with.
Again, you can take out "nullsec" and replace it with "humans" or "people" and that's still pretty much true. It's not like your side doesn't engage in much the same behavior. The difference is, your hating seems to get developer results (as evidenced by the ESS module's very existence), whereas nullsec doesn't. If anyone should be complaining, it's them.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
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Posted - 2014.01.16 23:37:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:ESS should be constellation-wide, not per system.  Yeah I'm trolling.
Heck, why not make it an actual warp-able thing? Put a deadspace beacon in there with the thing in it, just have it scoop 5% constantly.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
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Posted - 2014.01.17 03:57:00 -
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I would like to point out that a significant portion of truesec being functionally worthless for use by more than one person at any given time is not self imposed.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
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Posted - 2014.01.17 14:44:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Lugalbandak wrote:Barry Kring wrote:I honestly think the idea is perfect for highsec. Make the bubble a bit bigger and everything inside it is fair game, no concord zone. Null has maybe 2-3 ratters per system at best, in hs you can multiply that by 10 meaning significant money worth fighting for. im still figuring out wy its only for 0.0, low sec = low sec but in high it could be a nice conflict driver maybe, maybe ccp respons soon. Perhaps it's due to alliances docking up the moment anything not blue enters system. The combination of blues, intel channels and local creates a system so safe that it's virtually impossible to die in non-consensual PvP. Now you can still have that immunity to non-consentual PvP but it'll cost you 25% of rat bounties to utilise it if you're so lazy you don't put a cloakie disposable alt next to your ESS to grab the funds. You emant he cloaky disposable alt that could be ratting instead. There is no such thing. What will happen is instead of doing this, people will simply use those 2 toons to run missions and hover up loot with that send toon in a noctis for more isk than he would have made ratting with one toon. What you talk about is never practical. We're talking about what people actually do, not what you think they should.
Pretty much this.
When I do PVE, I dual box a neutral salvage alt. PVE in highsec is easy enough that I can ninja salvage in between salvaging my own missions.
Even for someone with expensive habits like me, the money is plenty.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
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Posted - 2014.01.17 15:49:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Dave Stark wrote:E-2C wrote:You mean the goons with their alts in hi-sec? Yea your right, that why the front line goon has an average of 8 accounts. source? I think that was a tongue-in-cheek comment. I've seen plenty of null sec players claim that 'many' of them have alts in hi sec. So I guess that would be the source. Unless, of course, these claims are bullshit. <== tongue-in-cheek as well  .
Hell, I have 4. It's hardly unusual.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
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Posted - 2014.01.18 01:21:00 -
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General Yazimi wrote:Someone is afraid that their entrenched alliances needs to work a little more for said entrenchment. I love the concept of ESS.
So, aside from "Grr Goons", what do you actually like about it?
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
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Posted - 2014.01.18 01:33:00 -
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General Yazimi wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:General Yazimi wrote:Someone is afraid that their entrenched alliances needs to work a little more for said entrenchment. I love the concept of ESS. So, aside from "Grr Goons", what do you actually like about it? "Anyone can access an ESS, not just the owner." I'll enjoy stealing your ISK when you are out farming - I enjoy the fact that you have to guard the ESS. I like the fact we can fight over it. Oh btw when you leave - Can I have your stuff?
I wouldn't ever drop one. (I don't live in nullsec, but I'd have to be out of my mind).
Anyone who actually stays in null after this (most of them will just leave), would be insane to risk 20% of their earnings for an extra 5% they won't see.
They'll just dock up or try and go to a different system if they can.
You won't be stealing anything, "they" won't be guarding anything, and nothing will be fought over.
Because 5% isn't worth fighting over. Especially not when they can just go mission.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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The ROC
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Posted - 2014.01.18 14:01:00 -
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Quote:But you've become just like that sophisticated and rich alliance. You're members are afraid to go more than a few jumps from safety and friends, you're no longer Goons except in name, you're BoB.
Speaking from experience on the subject...
ROFL.
No, they're not. You don't even know the half of it.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
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Posted - 2014.01.18 15:14:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Fix Sov wrote:Chirjo Durruti wrote:This tool is not meant to be used for PvE. It can be used for it, but it's stupid. Why PvP? It is basically a bounty siphon/inhibitor unit for small roaming gangs and a tool for a war of attrition. What happens when a roaming gang runs around somewhere? Most people dock up or POS up. What happens when they leave? They crawl back out of the woodworks. What happens if the same roaming gang runs around and drops ESSes everywhere? Most people dock/POS up, wait for the guys to leave, go shoot the ESS then continue ratting. If someone stays behind to press the steal button on the ESS, that guy's basically doing the same thing an AFK cloaker would. The ESS module in and of itself won't do **** except make people shoot it when the roaming gang leaves. Roaming gang spotted in your intel channel 5 jumps out. Everyone in system reshipping to PvP. Drop ESS, all log off in ESS bubble. Roaming gang arrives, attacks ESS brick tank bait, you log in trap pew pew, roaming gang dead. How is this even remotely bad. ESS can be powerful as defense, stop thinking like victims.
Is anyone here actually stupid enough to take a fight like that?
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
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Posted - 2014.01.18 15:25:00 -
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Fix Sov wrote:"Gee a roch is sitting on an ESS, this isn't obviously a trap"
Pretty much my thoughts on the matter.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.01.19 15:17:00 -
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The Infinity Ziona solution:
Even more alts dedicated exclusively to dealing with the new mechanics! Even more people FORCED into boring gameplay to counter a mechanic that ought not exist in the first place!
Hooray.
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Kaarous Aldurald
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Posted - 2014.01.19 15:50:00 -
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Fix Sov wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:You should already have pos gunner alts for siphons, I recall the Goons declaring siphons will be no problem since all their pos will have gunner alts to blap them. Actually if I'd bothered to be active on this forum when the siphons were introduced I said they were also a **** idea, because it would mean anyone doing reactions would have to log in multiple times a day and warp to their POSes to check for siphons and blow them up. That's also yet another mechanism which isn't leading to more fights or conflict.
In fact, actively discouraging fights and conflict.
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